英国网民评论:中国对自己的好运气感到难以置信
2015-04-12 17:01:01



这样的评论看看还算有建设性,三哥的评论具有娱乐性,至于日本的评论只能拉低智商

有网民评论称:“我对世界秩序在资助第三世界方面的变动鼓掌欢迎。让我们拭目以待看看他们是否能干得有所不同。我也很高兴看到美国离开世界领导的岗位,尽管它自己并不情愿。我觉得这对美国来说是好事,这能让它好好想想我们自己的问题,把美国国内事务放在首位。我乐意看到更多这样的消息。”“《金融时报》,你们不能把这个叫做“运气”。别把中国的功劳拿走。应该老实承认,现在发展中国家争相跑到中国哪儿摇尾巴,这说明世界秩序最终还是变了,由美英法意领导的世界现在可能已经临近黄昏。”

 

1、MrTickle
Is there some sort of bet on how many times the FT can publish the word ‘quixotic’ this quarter?

有没有人来赌一下《金融时报》本季度会多少次用到“堂吉诃德式的”来形容(事件)?

 

2、Realist
Japan apparently wanted to join the new bank but failed to do so out of fear of US anger:
See Asahi Shimbun, INSIGHT: Fear of angering Washington forced Tokyo to stay out of China-backed AIIB April 01, 2015

日本显然也想加入亚投行,只不过害怕美国的怒火罢了。你可以看一下4月1号的另一篇报道《深度:对美国的恐惧使东京远离亚投行》。

 

3、Realist
1. I think China and Israel have had close ties for sometime.
2. The new Sri Lankan president I think is focussed on improving relations with the new Indian leadership (for understandable reasons), and a publicly critical look at China might help

1)我觉得有些时候以色列和中国还是走得挺近的。
2)斯里兰卡的新总统致力于改善和印度的新领导人的关系(原因很容易理解),对中国持公开批判的态度可能对(改善与印度的关系)有好处。

 

4、EdoRoshi
I still don’t see why this is a failure of US policy, or a defeat for the United States. What difference does it make if China starts a large development bank? The total size of any such lending will be only a fraction of daily exchange trading. Does this mean that other countries that have joined will put capital into the bank? Or does it mean that they are simply going to feed at the trough of piles of Chinese money? Or both?

我还是不明白为什么这会是美国的政策失败。由中国来建立一家新的开发银行会有什么不同吗?其贷款数额相对于日常贸易额度来说不过是九牛一毛。这意味着其他加入的国家会向其(亚投行)注入资本吗?还是说这些(加入的)国家只需要等着分红?还是两者皆有?

 

lolc
@EdoRoshi It is not a defeat for the US per se, but it’s more of a defeat for the usual US saboteuring initiatives.

回复EdoRoshi:这本质上来说不是美国的失败,而是美国例行的破坏活动的失败。

 

5、DragonFireBurnTyrants
FT, don’t call it luck. It’s not. Don’t take credit away from China. Rather recognize that the way developed nations have gone running to China, wagging their tails, this shows that the world order is finally changing and the era of US/UK/France/Italy leading the world is now properly in the sunset.

《金融时报》,你们不能把这个叫做“运气”。别把中国的功劳拿走。应该老实承认,现在发展中国家争相跑到中国哪儿摇尾巴,这说明世界秩序最终还是变了,由美英法意领导的世界现在可能已经临近黄昏。

6、Jack Armstrong
I applaud the shakeup in the world order of financing third world projects. Let’s see if they do things differently.
And I am glad to see the US disengage from a leadership role in the world, even if it was not voluntary. I think it will be good for the US and allow it to start thinking about our own problems and putting America first. I would like to see more of it.

我对世界秩序在资助第三世界方面的变动鼓掌欢迎。让我们拭目以待看看他们是否能干得有所不同。
我也很高兴看到美国离开世界领导的岗位,尽管它自己并不情愿。我觉得这对美国来说是好事,这能让它好好想想我们自己的问题,把美国国内事务放在首位。我乐意看到更多这样的消息。

 

7、Paul Munton’s Potimarron
Perhaps that nice Mr Putin and his government might copy Beijing’s example and pursue soft power rather than the destructive hard power they have come to prefer. That would be to the benefit of themselves and the Russian people

也许和蔼的普京先生以及他的政府可以学学北京的样子,追求软实力而不是象他们以前说偏好的那样使用破坏性的硬实力。这对他们自己(指普京政府)和俄罗斯人民都有好处。

 

8、Legal Tender
There is an old saying:the harder I bribe, the luckier I get!

有句老话叫做:行贿行得越多,幸运越是常伴!

 

lolc
@Legal Tender The luckiest were to invade, colonize, air strike or simply threaten. When the country that has been using such modus but not in the mean time, it will be striken by bad lucks.

回复Legal Tender:照你这么说那些侵略、殖民、空袭、威胁别人的国家最幸运。不过当过去经常这么干的国家现在不这么干了之后,它就会被不幸笼罩。

 

KLRJ
@lolc @Legal Tender Exactly.

回复lolc:说得对。

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13、Zhuubaajie
TPP is an interesting animal. It’s “high quality standards” are set so high, it is estimated that compliance would add 20-30% to the cost of producing goods. Granted that the TPP-12 nations constitute 40% of world GDP – yet not much of that is imports – most of that is domestic services (a()la U.S. + Japan, which counts for 80% of that total). So the agreement literally would mean self-neutering for the smaller, less advanced nations. Philippines is rumored to have made noises about leaving the negotiation tables, which would mean that nothing will get done by the June deadline. After that the American election cycle kicks into high gear, and nothing is going to happen until 2017. By then the RCEP could likely be concluded, especially if Beijing is willing to give succor.The next few months would be a critical window.

TPP真是个有趣的玩意。它的“高标准”订得是如此的高,以至于据估计完全遵守(TPP的)承诺将会使产品的成本上升20-30%。
假定TPP12国能占世界GDP的40%——然而其进口的份额却不大——里面大部分是国内第三产业(像美国和日本国内第三产业占GDP80%以上)。

所以这份协议对于参与其中的小国和欠发达国家来说简直就是自我阉割。传言菲律宾已经嚷嚷着要离开谈判桌,这意味着在六月的最后期限之前什么协议也达不成。而在此之后美国大选将进入快车道,这么一来到2017之前都不会有什么事情发生。到那时候RECP(区域全面经济伙伴关系,东盟10国+6(中日韩印奥新))的谈判估计都结束了,特别是如果中国肯做一点让步的话。
所以接下来的几个月将是(TPP的)关键期。

 

14、stonebird
One point to watch with the new AIIB is what computer soft and hardware is used. There have already been cries by the UK (and the US!) for “interntional” systems to be used. ie. ones that are open to NSA spying (Both harware and soft). However, could one of the principle reasons for the AIIB sucess, be that it is NOT as open to snooping as SWIFT, being based around a different operating system? This would also explain why Israel is also one of the countries seeking membership, the rich want a secure way of moving money?
Second point is that mentioned above, is to watch the TPP, which is “almost” signed, excluding China.

新的亚投行的一个看点是其到底是用什么计算机软硬件系统。英国(以及美国!(你都没加入嚷啥))已经开始叫嚷要使用“国际通用”的系统,例如那些对NSA(美国国家安全局)的间谍门敞开的系统。然而,亚投行能成功的一个关键原因之一,就是它不像SWIFT(“环球同业银行金融电讯协会”)那样容易被嗅探,也许是因为用了不同的操作系统?这也能解释为什么以色列也乐于加入,有钱人都希望有一个安全的渠道来运转资金。
第二个看点则是看那个将中国排除在外的“几乎已经签好”的TPP了。


APlus
@stonebird Do you mean if that they are going to create their software from scratch themselves? (a Chinese GS black box)? Because there is no Chinease software in the top 40 in the world, in spite of China on top No 1 & No 3 in the world. With the “UK” HSBC as No 2. + CCB getting Switzerland. All the hard is anyway China-produced 

回复stonebird:你的意思是他们要从头开始建立自己的软件系统?尽管中国(的银行)在世界上排在第1、3位(英国汇丰排第2),但是却没有什么软件能排进前40。哦忘了还有中国建设银行杀进瑞士了,另外所有的硬件几乎都是中国的:(

lolc
@APlus
“Fraunhofer IAO patent analysis finds China leading in Industry 4.0″

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/03/20150331-iao.html

Things that you don’t know make you happy and there are lots more that you don’t know about China

回复APlus:看看这篇报道《弗劳恩霍夫IAO专利分析发现中国在工业4.0革命中领先》http://www.greencarcongress.com/2015/03/20150331-iao.html
你不知道的事总会让你轻松愉快,而有关中国的很多事你都不知道..

 

Legal Tender 3 days ago
@stonebird. SWIFT is not an operating system- it is a messaging format and messaging platform.
If the AIIB is like the World Bank (ha) many parties and auditors will have access to its payment information- no need to bug the software- the info can easily be bought (unfortunately the more interesting info is between the loan recipient and their suppliers and fixers, not the payment between the AIIB and the borrower).
I am a supporter of the AIIB. China has a lot of economic power and there are many mercantilist nations in Europe and around Asia that are desperate to feed from the scraps of China’s table and also buy influence with Chinese power brokers in the military and government and industry.
Why shouldn’t China take advantage of this? Rather than using only her own funds to buy her way into projects overseas to benefit Chinese companies and allow untold opportunities for cadres to skim funds, why not use the gai-jin’s cash, particularly if China still gets to direct and control the projects and the spoils (some of which will be shared)?
And the increasingly important economic ties between China and other mercantilist nations should make the latter more cooperative when China launches expansionist military adventures.
If a German can head Gazprom why couldn’t a Frenchie or Brit, down the road, head the PRC development and re-education agency in Taipei?

回复stonebird:
SWIFT并不是一个操作系统,而是一种通讯格式和一个通信平台。
如果亚投行像世行一样,那么会有很多团体和其他受众关注它的支付信息——这些信息可以轻易买到,用不着攻入系统。(不幸的是更有价值的信息来自借款人与他们的贷款方以及中间人之间,而不是来自亚投行与借款人之间的支付信息)

我是亚投行的支持者。中国有很强的经济力量,欧洲和亚洲有不少重商主义国家都想从中国的餐桌上分一杯羹,而中国也正在努力通过政府、军队及产业中的有实权的掮客获取(收买)影响力。

为什么中国不利用这一点呢?与其花自己的钱来买到海外项目的通行证来使中国企业获利,还让不少干部(在此过程中)获得雁过拔毛的暧昧机会,何不用外国人的钱来办事呢?特别是如果中国仍能主导整个项目以及利润(当然要分出一部分)的话就更没有问题了。

而且中国与其他国家之间更加紧密的经济关系也有助于使将来(各国)变得更加合作,特别是当中国想要奉行扩张主义的军事活动的时候。

既然一个德国人都能领导Gazprom(俄天然气公司),那么如果法国人和英国人沿着这条路走下去的话也可以领导中国的发展(指在亚投行当行长之类吧)并re-education agency in Taipei(不知道这里指何意,直译是“重新训练台北的代理人”)。

 

lolc
@Legal Tender Of course China wants to profit from the regions that would see progress from infrastructure development. Like what have happened with Africa, what China has done is like giving a better fishing net and a bigger boat to a fisherman. Of course China will benefit by being able to buy more fishes. Your cynicism is understandable. It has been formed through your own history when the unfortunate people in remote regions were taken as slaves and the area colonized. You should know that China is different from you guys.

回复Legal Tender:
中国当然希望从区域的基础设施建设中获益。正如在非洲所做的那样,中国更倾向于授人以渔。这样中国也能从中获益,至少能买到更多的鱼不是。你的冷噪热讽我可以理解,在因为你们的历史里你们就是这么干的,那些边远地区的可怜的人们被你们充作奴隶,土地则被殖民。不过中国和你们不一样。

ps. By the way, the word “mercantilist” cannot be found in the rules guiding international trade as specified by the WTO. My guess is, the word is used only by bitter sore losers who are too lazy to shed their sweat but still want the best things the world could offer.

另外说一句,“重商主义”在主导世界贸易的WTO的条款里是找不到的。我猜这个词仅适用于那些喜欢倒酸水的失败者——他们实在太懒以至于连稍微减少点甜头都不肯,但却仍想占有世界上最好的供给。